"I was struck by what a nation of wimps we are. Yes, that's what I said...wimps! Am I the only one who thinks it's unseemly for Americans to be openly weeping about the loss of lives on that day FIVE YEARS after it happened? Whatever happened to the strong American?".....Jackie 2006 Sometimes loosing someone you love hurts very deeply......crying and grieving cleanses the heart and tempers the soul......You, Jackie, have a gift of writing and putting to words the human factor.... You could use that gift to help others rather than hurt them..... Something to think about....and jackie, please know that I truly mean this when I say...I am sorry for your loss....I do not know the nature but it is clear you greive to this day and its OK...... Dan Mac Neilage
You really had to search to find that. I wrote that article 3 years ago and I still believe every word.
I never said people shouldn't mourn death in ones own family or circle of friends. I don't grieve for people I never met and make roadside memorials or drop off letters and teddy bears at the homes of dead strangers.
You phony concern touches my heart, thank you for your false condolences.
Nothing phoney or false......If you really ever even met me you would know that to be true....I saw this post you put up and knew it was inspired by a loss very close......people with a heart dont have to know why you hurt or feel pain....emotional, physical, or otherwise....we just know there is way too much to go around...pain that is. We dont have to agree politically to be decent to one another....I read some of your past work and saw a lot of writting talent and this isnt the first time I have stated that.....when I read that article you wrote it irritated me because after 5 years I still grieve over my best friends passing.....being 6'3" and 275 lbs makes it hard to hide from anyone.....but I am NEVER ashamed to cry over my childrens and my loss.......I attended the candlelight service for the young girl that was murdered in Tracy yesterday.....I did not know her.....but I cried....it was sad to think someone could be capable of such a horrible crime......just like 911..... I am not as well crafted in my writing abilities as you are jackie.....but I suppose it was my attempt to put harsh barbs sent back and forth to rest......at the rate things have been going around on this site....someone will ultimately get hurt real bad....my concern and condolences were sincere and void of malice....accept them or not....thats on you. Peace...... Dan mac neilage
updated 2:29 p.m. PT, Sun., April 19, 2009 OKLAHOMA CITY - It was 14 years ago when Doris Battle's parents were killed in the Oklahoma City bombing, just two of the 168 people who died during the nation's worst domestic terrorist attack.
Battle was among 400 people who gathered Sunday to observe the 14th anniversary of the bombing of the nine-story Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, an attack that also injured hundreds of people. The explosion of a truck loaded with 4,000 pounds (1,800 kilograms) of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil tore the face off the building and caused millions of dollars in damage to other downtown structures.
"I can't go home and see him anymore," Battle said of her father, Calvin Battle, who died with her mother Peola when the Oklahoma City federal building was bombed on April 19, 1995. And Battle said the passage of time has not diminished the loss she still feels.
One only needs look at today's headlines (10 year "anniversary" of "Columbine) to see the validity of the comments made a few years ago. There's a certain dysfunction in the media fed "memorial-ization of tragedy." As if no one else has suffered. As if some suffering is more worthy than others.
I could go into how some of the "memorials" advance political goals but this isn't the place for that.
I honestly meant no disrespect to Jackie nor to the memory of Luann whom I never met.....I was hoping that common ground could be struck to stop the crap being said back and forth by individuals that do not even know each other. I did that with you as well Joe, when I stuck my hand out at city hall when we were scarfin on shrimp.....I dont hate the mayor either....I simply disagree with much of the way our city conducts business and it is reflected in the type of leadership we now have....if you are going to lead the parade then you will be judged on how slow or fast it goes....thats all......all this stuff about being jealous and a sorry looser......Hell Joe...that happening for the most part saved my life.....I ended up going under the knife for open heart surgery and ended up the year with a 4 month cycle of chemotherapy for luekimia I have......this happened within days of loosing that election.....loosing by 12 votes was the difference between paying attention to my body or being burried into city council business and trying to get up to speed with the issues from the inside.....it was the best thing that ever could have happened! Put in the context stated above concerning political agendas being advanced in the midst of tragity is an agreeable point....our civil liberties have never been challenged so much as they have since 911. I suppose I focused more on the mourning over strangers part. My good friend lost his brother and 4 childhood friends in the twin tower attack.....when he called to tell me we cried together on the phone....I cried again in telling my wife and children of this....and although I did not know John's brother or his buddies.....i was emotional...angry....in disbelief.....and I am not ashamed to say....I cried....when I read the article from Jackie.....I remembered that day....as I do when I think about it or when I talk to my friend John....and it made me think......In my mind it challenged my manhood to some degree and I took offence......I could see how she thought I was poking fun at her.....I truly wasnt.....I just wanted her to know I do not believe crying is a display of weakness....more so strength than anything else....but clearly Joe, as you pointed out, she was saying a lot more than just that.......... Joe, do you think we can stop all these personal attacks on this site.....or does this have to continue until someone gets hurt real bad?........ We have a chance to change some things without being assholes to one another Dan Mac Neilage
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"I was struck by what a nation of wimps we are. Yes, that's what I said...wimps! Am I the only one who thinks it's unseemly for Americans to be openly weeping about the loss of lives on that day FIVE YEARS after it happened? Whatever happened to the strong American?".....Jackie 2006
ReplyDeleteSometimes loosing someone you love hurts very deeply......crying and grieving cleanses the heart and tempers the soul......You, Jackie, have a gift of writing and putting to words the human factor.... You could use that gift to help others rather than hurt them.....
Something to think about....and jackie, please know that I truly mean this when I say...I am sorry for your loss....I do not know the nature but it is clear you greive to this day and its OK......
Dan Mac Neilage
You really had to search to find that. I wrote that article 3 years ago and I still believe every word.
ReplyDeleteI never said people shouldn't mourn death in ones own family or circle of friends. I don't grieve for people I never met and make roadside memorials or drop off letters and teddy bears at the homes of dead strangers.
You phony concern touches my heart, thank you for your false condolences.
Nothing phoney or false......If you really ever even met me you would know that to be true....I saw this post you put up and knew it was inspired by a loss very close......people with a heart dont have to know why you hurt or feel pain....emotional, physical, or otherwise....we just know there is way too much to go around...pain that is.
ReplyDeleteWe dont have to agree politically to be decent to one another....I read some of your past work and saw a lot of writting talent and this isnt the first time I have stated that.....when I read that article you wrote it irritated me because after 5 years I still grieve over my best friends passing.....being 6'3" and 275 lbs makes it hard to hide from anyone.....but I am NEVER ashamed to cry over my childrens and my loss.......I attended the candlelight service for the young girl that was murdered in Tracy yesterday.....I did not know her.....but I cried....it was sad to think someone could be capable of such a horrible crime......just like 911.....
I am not as well crafted in my writing abilities as you are jackie.....but I suppose it was my attempt to put harsh barbs sent back and forth to rest......at the rate things have been going around on this site....someone will ultimately get hurt real bad....my concern and condolences were sincere and void of malice....accept them or not....thats on you.
Peace......
Dan mac neilage
updated 2:29 p.m. PT, Sun., April 19, 2009
ReplyDeleteOKLAHOMA CITY - It was 14 years ago when Doris Battle's parents were killed in the Oklahoma City bombing, just two of the 168 people who died during the nation's worst domestic terrorist attack.
Battle was among 400 people who gathered Sunday to observe the 14th anniversary of the bombing of the nine-story Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, an attack that also injured hundreds of people. The explosion of a truck loaded with 4,000 pounds (1,800 kilograms) of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil tore the face off the building and caused millions of dollars in damage to other downtown structures.
"I can't go home and see him anymore," Battle said of her father, Calvin Battle, who died with her mother Peola when the Oklahoma City federal building was bombed on April 19, 1995. And Battle said the passage of time has not diminished the loss she still feels.
One only needs look at today's headlines (10 year "anniversary" of "Columbine) to see the validity of the comments made a few years ago. There's a certain dysfunction in the media fed "memorial-ization of tragedy." As if no one else has suffered. As if some suffering is more worthy than others.
ReplyDeleteI could go into how some of the "memorials" advance political goals but this isn't the place for that.
The first song above was presented with a biographical slide show and we sang Luann's favorite hymm at her service, that's why they are here.
ReplyDeleteI honestly meant no disrespect to Jackie nor to the memory of Luann whom I never met.....I was hoping that common ground could be struck to stop the crap being said back and forth by individuals that do not even know each other. I did that with you as well Joe, when I stuck my hand out at city hall when we were scarfin on shrimp.....I dont hate the mayor either....I simply disagree with much of the way our city conducts business and it is reflected in the type of leadership we now have....if you are going to lead the parade then you will be judged on how slow or fast it goes....thats all......all this stuff about being jealous and a sorry looser......Hell Joe...that happening for the most part saved my life.....I ended up going under the knife for open heart surgery and ended up the year with a 4 month cycle of chemotherapy for luekimia I have......this happened within days of loosing that election.....loosing by 12 votes was the difference between paying attention to my body or being burried into city council business and trying to get up to speed with the issues from the inside.....it was the best thing that ever could have happened!
ReplyDeletePut in the context stated above concerning political agendas being advanced in the midst of tragity is an agreeable point....our civil liberties have never been challenged so much as they have since 911. I suppose I focused more on the mourning over strangers part. My good friend lost his brother and 4 childhood friends in the twin tower attack.....when he called to tell me we cried together on the phone....I cried again in telling my wife and children of this....and although I did not know John's brother or his buddies.....i was emotional...angry....in disbelief.....and I am not ashamed to say....I cried....when I read the article from Jackie.....I remembered that day....as I do when I think about it or when I talk to my friend John....and it made me think......In my mind it challenged my manhood to some degree and I took offence......I could see how she thought I was poking fun at her.....I truly wasnt.....I just wanted her to know I do not believe crying is a display of weakness....more so strength than anything else....but clearly Joe, as you pointed out, she was saying a lot more than just that..........
Joe, do you think we can stop all these personal attacks on this site.....or does this have to continue until someone gets hurt real bad?........
We have a chance to change some things without being assholes to one another
Dan Mac Neilage